An assault on the nation

These are trying times, and the stakes are higher than I've ever seen in my half century+ on this earth.   The United States of America is under attack, and the nothing less than the survival of this nation is on the line.  But, as many have warned, the assault is not from without, but from within.  We have all seen the signs; many of us have connected the dots; but the time for the citizens to preserve their democracy is now.

For many, America is purple mountain majesties, fruited plains, from sea to shining sea, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and motherhood; and the natural beauty and bounty of this nation and its people are undeniably wondrous; but that is not America.  That is geography and demographics.  America is that ideal established by our founding fathers of a nation with liberty and justice for all; a government of the people, by the people, for the people.  It is the system of government set forth in the Constitution and the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.  America is that ideal for which lives have been risked and lives have been given for the higher purpose of preserving this democratic society.

And it is now a sham.  The vast amount of wealth and power in this country is controlled by a tiny few.  Policies are written by those who will benefit.  Our nation's wealth is funneled to war profiteers who use their influence to perpetuate the war.  Our representatives in government are elected by the people; but the people vote based on the messages they receive from the media.   Our representatives, if they are to continue representing us, must also serve their corporate masters, and their corruption by money is inevitable.  The message is controlled by the media, but the media is controlled by the wealthy and the powerful.  Despite all of the feel good, free election, voice of the people trappings, our elections are bought and paid for with money, corporate money.

In the last election cycle, however, a new medium gained prominence.  It is a medium where anybody with minimal resources could have their voice heard.  That medium is the internet.  YouTube videos became viral, both helping and destroying candidacies.  Blogs multiplied exponentially, and true grassroots efforts put several candidates over the top to success.  In short, we became a force to be reckoned with.  And reckon they have.  In the past several months, we have seen true progressive candidates savaged by these same tools.  

While the overt attacks have been obvious, we have been slow to understand and react to the more insidious and destructive forces who have fanned the embers of disagreement into flame wars that have pitted supporters of our candidates against each other with unprecedented acrimony.  It has progressed so far that clear, obvious concern trolls rise to the top of the Recommended Lists by nothing more than repeating false, hateful, right-wing talking points about one candidate or the other.  My friends, we have been invaded by the enemy, and we've welcomed them.

Frankly, we need to wake the f*ck up, and we'd better do it fast.  The statistics are clear. Both candidates, candidates who are both immeasurably better than the GOP candidate, are falling in popularity.  Why?  Because we're killing ourselves, and we're being happily urged on by the right wing trolls with tactics right out of Karl Rove's playbook.

Hillary is not a monster.  Obama does not hate America.  Neither of them is a racist.  Both are great candidates; and if we had an ounce of sense here, we'd realize we're on the same team.  Yeah, one of those candidates is not going to be at the top of the ticket.  Is that enough reason to stop working for equal justice?  For better health care?  For an end to this war?  To allow the GOP to occupy the White House for four more years?  Hell no; but we have allowed ourselves to be manipulated into forgetting that we are Democrats first, and candidate activists second.  

So wake up.  Take a hard, honest, critical look at what's being written here.  Is it true?  What's the motivation behind it?  Is repeating it helpful to this nation or to the Democratic Party?  Trust me, if you take a step back and try to be objective about your candidate; you will see that much of the hate, anger, and animosity here do not come from what either candidate said or did; but from outsiders who are using our passion against us.

It's time to turn this around.  No, the primary season isn't over.  Yes, the other candidate said things that pissed you off.  Get over it.  It's politics, not personal.  There's too much at stake.  Work to stop the GOP, not to commit political suicide.  The future of this country depends on it.



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Re: An assault on the nation (2.00 / 1)

Well, it won't help; but I feel better for having said it.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:55:05 AM EST

Amen. (2.00 / 1)

Actually, we're Americans first, Democrats second, and activists third, but I appreciate the sentiment.


by KTinOhio on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:12:27 PM EST

Re: An assault on the nation (none / 0)

Well said.

HillObama both are responsible for this.

So are the most fanatic of the supporters of each candidate.

I hope they enjoy President McCain.  They are making him more likley every day.


by TomP on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:17:55 PM EST

I wish I could. (none / 0)

I know what's at stake, but I am a Hillary supporter who has never seen (or been willing to take off my blinders) the things that are said about her.  Please note, I did not become a Hillary supporter until about mid-January, so this should not be the case with me.

Ironically, I wrote my first and (so far) only diary about the same thing:  http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/10/1237 52/998

But things didn't change.  I posted the same diary at another (unnamed) site and got ridiculed.  So I ended up changing.

And now,, quite frankly, I do not know how to move back and find any basis upon which to support Obama - even if he is the nominee.

I encourage you in trying to bring people together - and I will read and listen to people who suggest ways for this to happen.

But - for the first time in my life - I don't see a solution to it.  I can promise to support BO, but the minute someone from his "camp" does or says anthing about Hillary, I will go right back to where I am, right now.


by Shazone on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:18:33 PM EST

I feel the same way... (none / 0)

...but from the other side of the fence.  I'm an Obama supporter, and have been since the start of the campaign.  But a choice between Hillary Clinton and John McCain - or Barack Obama and John McCain - should be a no-brainer for anyone on this side of the aisle.  Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.


by KTinOhio on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:27:37 PM EST
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Re: I feel the same way... (none / 0)

Exactly. KT and I feel the same way as you do about the attacks and such, with names neatly reversed. Perhaps this is an indication the truth of the matter of what's been happening lies somewhere in between.

The diarist is correct, absolutely 100%- we need to be a cohesive group coming into November, or we're all doomed to another four years of Bush policies. I was a proud supporter of McCain in 2000 (when I was a Republican); I was horrified at what the Bush campaign did to him. He is a true American war hero and a great guy (besides my personal distaste for his ignoring the Republicans throwing him under the bus so he could have this shot at the Presidency), but he is the wrong person for this go-round.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:33:54 PM EST
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Re: Fundamental contradiction (none / 0)

I read your diary.  I understand your outrage at the unfair treatment the Clintons received at the hands of the Repubs in the 90's.  

What I do not understand is why you, and so many other Hillary supporters, seem so enthusiastic about using the same techniques against Obama. I have been puzzled by this apparent contradiction for months.  

Since Hillary started falling behind in the Iowa polls in November and announced that it was time "for the fun part," she has gone after Obama on almost every conceivable front.  Her supporters here, have joined in, not just accepting the use of these tactics, but actually enthusiastically joining in by posting dozens of attack diaries against Obama on a daily basis.  How do you and other Hillary supporters justify your actions?

You folks seem to have nurtured a "victimology" that claims that Hillary has been treated unfairly by the media and that Obama is some sort of mean, dirty fraud in order to justify your constant stream of distorted attacks.  

Claiming victim status while acting the bully is hard for many of us to take. Obama is not a saint it is a reality of contemporary politics that you cannot afford to allow the attacks of your opponent to go unchallenged.  The constant stream of negativity coming from the Clintons and their surrogates on the trail and in the media has forced Obama to respond.  But the basic tone of the campaign has always been set by Hillary, when she plays nice the tone is largely positive.  When she decides she needs to go negative the tone becomes negative.

IMHO, the lack of consistency and intellectual honesty from Clinton supporters on these basic realities is hard to fathom.  I would be happy to hear your response.


by upper left on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:51:09 PM EST
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First problem... (none / 0)

we don't agree with this part of your comment:

"Since Hillary started falling behind in the Iowa polls in November and announced that it was time "for the fun part," she has gone after Obama on almost every conceivable front.  Her supporters here, have joined in, not just accepting the use of these tactics, but actually enthusiastically joining in by posting dozens of attack diaries against Obama on a daily basis.  How do you and other Hillary supporters justify your actions?"

Immediately, we are put on the defensive.

Then you, in your humble opinion, tell everyone that we lack consistency and intellectual honesty.  Ouch!

In terms of victimology, again, that's not our perspective.  I will tell you that I am pissed as hell about the treatment of the first really qualified women to run for POTUS - but I don't feel like she - or me - are victims.

May I suggest that it would be helpful not to go back and rehash these kinds of opinions.  I'm sorry, but nothing will move forward if we (both sides)do.

The only hope that I can see (how audacious of me!) is to only talk about substantive things from this moment forward.  If Hillary gives a speech, let's discuss it.  If Obama proposes an economic plan, let's discuss it.

It will not be easy.  And maybe not do-able.  But you can't start the discussion on a negative (or ndegatively perceived) basis.


by Shazone on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:23:50 PM EST
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Re: Ignoring the problem is not an option (none / 0)

I appreciate your response, but it seems to me that it is essentially an evasion of the argument I tried to put forward in my original comment.

Basically, I said I thought you guys were being inconsistent and asked whether or not you agreed.  It seems to me that there are three possible answers:

1) "No, I do not think HRC has been the aggressor and I do not think that those of us who support her have been attacking Obama...."

2) "Yes, she has been more negative and yes we have joined in but we are justified in doing so because of A,B, or C...."

3) "You have a point.  On reflection, I acknowledge the inconsistency between complaining about being swift-boated by Repubs and trying to do the same thing to Obama"

To me it seems that your answer is to say, "I don't want to talk about it."

Not talking about it will not make the issue go away.  The reality of the race is that Obama has a small but very significant lead in total delegates.  The only chance Hillary has to win the nomination is a near sweep of the remaining primaries that would allow her to argue to the super delegates that Obama is damaged goods and can not win in November.  

In order to have any realistic chance of pulling this strategy off, she will have to decide if she is willing to do even more to damage Obama or willing to acknowledge defeat.  Those of you who support her will need to decide if you want to follow her down this path.


by upper left on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:14:48 PM EST
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But I think you're wrong demanding... (none / 0)

that I answer a question that I don't think exists.  Additionally, you seem to have identified the only answers that you will find acceptable.

And your last paragraph tells me you really have not interest in any answer I provide.

So shall we agree to disagree?  And if you ever want to "talk" about substantive issues, I look forward to hearing from you again.

Good luck.


by Shazone on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:41:45 PM EST
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Re: First problem... (none / 0)

Sort of new to this site- don't know how to do the recommending and rating and don't care about ratings so checked No for me to rate posts on my homepage...
But will say you made a rational and non attacking response to an attacking response which may (or may not) explain to some why the types of remarks that are made are insulting to many and turning off many democratic voters who may sit out the election because of the high minded insults than are no less in the gutter than racial slurs.
For me- the candidate Obama himself, makes insulting remarks that turn me off because he is personally insulting to ME as he tries to claim his victories among people he deems better than me in the I get college educated, rich and black folk and Hillary gets the poor stupid people. (not quite put that way but exactly how it sounds).
Well for disclosure- I'm white, college educated,female, 60, lifelong democrat, vote every election local, state and federal,now disabled so make less than some, have biracial children- in fact when my immediate family gets together we are eclectic and represent many ethnic races, and income brackets from below $50,000 to well above what the mr and mrs obama make together by one female, single 35 year old. We worked hard years ago to transcend race, gender and biases against the gay and lesbian, poor, sick, disabled and rich alike. Now it gets thrown in my face as something I know nothing about but been doing for 45 years since before Obama was born. He's arrogant- I can handle that, he led a charmed life and doesn't understand that others have been climbing their way out and already came to where he thinks he can lead us.

So thanks for speaking up in a rational manner to address some problems that needed addressing.  


by Justwords on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:37:44 PM EST
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Re: An assault on the nation (2.00 / 0)

A great diary and very well said. Emotions always run high expecially in the heightened environment of this campaign but we can not for a moment pretend that the alternative, John McCain, is in any way an acceptable alternative if our chosen candidate is beaten. The bottom line is that if the Dem party can't win this election, with everything that is working in our favor, we should scrap the entire party and start over again.


by AHunch on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:41:10 PM EST

Re: An assault on the nation (none / 0)

I am a Democrat only because the party has up till now complied with my liberal values.

If Obama is the Party's choice as its leader I will change to Independent. The Democratic Party will have become the party that endorses anti-white, anti-american, anti-semetic bigotry. I do not tolerate bigotry or racism in any form.

And relax. The Republicans are not running an evil man this time as their nominee. America will be ok with McCain as president. I would rather have Hillary Clinton or John Edwards or Al Gore or any of the other decent patriotic Democrats as president, but McCain will not be a disaster.

I think everyone should put their country interests above their party's interest. I try to. And because of this I have concluded that I will never, under any circumstances, vote for Barack Obama.  


by Caliman on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:41:15 PM EST

Sorry, but thanks for trolling (none / 0)

anti-white, anti-american, anti-semetic bigotry
That is absolute bullshit.  I'm through tolerating bullshit; and we all should see through your pretense.  

You are the embodiment of the invasive trolling bullshit at the core of my diary.  You don't give a shit about Hillary, your purpose here is to tear down a Democratic candidate.  Fuck you.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:44:59 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, but thanks for trolling (none / 0)

I am not bullshitting and I am not trolling. I am telling you the truth as I see it from the perspective of a very liberal older guy.

Deal with it or ignore it. I would tell you exactly the same thing to your face. If we actually had a chance to sit down and talk you would probably be able to see for yourself that I am entirely honest and forthright about this. I have a very well earned reputation as one who does not tolerate bigotry or racism in any guise.

I don't apologize if it has offended you as I think you should join me to stand againgst bigotry, ant-americanism and racism in all its forms and from wherever it comes.


by Caliman on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:28:35 PM EST
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt; but (none / 0)

your allegations pertaining to the Democratic Party in general and Obama specifically could not be farther from reality.  No group of people, and by that I refer to Democrats, not necessarily their leadership, have a more tolerant attitude toward other races and religions, and no group is more patriotic in their advocacy for the ideals I enunciated in my diary.

Like any group as diverse as Democrats, there are and will be outliers with whom we find substantial disagreement; but to tar the entire party with the brush of one is simply not reasonable.  It is far better than the homogeneity and lockstep of the GOP.

As a group, we head in the right direction for this country, and openly discuss our differences.  We are open to nuance and context, not simply right/wrong, black/white.

Blanket and arguably unfounded remarks such as prompted my response strongly smell of RNC work, not a rational discussion by a Democrat.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:47:47 PM EST
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Re: An assault on the nation (2.00 / 0)

If you believe that nominating Barack Obama would be endorsing an anti-white, anti-american candidate then you may be many things but you are not a democrat. I find your comment repulsive and indicative of everything the Limbaugh fringe in this country stands for. You disgust me.


by AHunch on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:56:22 PM EST
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Re: An assault on the nation (none / 0)

I may disgust you but not as much as the thought of having Barack Obama as president disgusts me and other liberals like me.  


by Caliman on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:31:28 PM EST
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rb608...I would appreciate your thoughts.... (none / 0)

relative to the exchange that I had with another individual (up top, a couple of comments ago).  

I was being honest and trying to address your diary.  Do you feel that this dialogue furthered the process or not?

I'm just curious because I am serious in trying to figure things out on this topic.


by Shazone on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:47:20 PM EST


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